tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post5023785727184194909..comments2023-10-31T10:46:39.541-04:00Comments on Look who's talking...: Omkara and Expletivesanuraghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03178119895116619951noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-73203845677752811462007-01-19T07:22:00.000-04:002007-01-19T07:22:00.000-04:00Thanks Alok. Its a dying art.
km, thanks a lot. I...Thanks Alok. Its a dying art.<br /><br />km, thanks a lot. If I get it correctly, you are rightly pointing that most of the swear word used in the film are used sparingly (and thats why not freely) and thus end up like a prop, but not the 'flavor' of language used. In addition to it, I think even if they are used sparingly, a better judgment should have been used.<br /><br />s, Thanks.<br /><br />Rajeev, So now we can write a white paper ;)<br /><br />Manish, Its not to do with sweetness or rudeness. Its like softness or hardness of water, differs from place to place, but not aloof from water (aloof, may be like dirt or pebbles). Also, its not the point of being learned or illiterate. Its difficult to pin-point, but there is fine line between the use (ingrained in language) and prostitution (like dirt in water) of expletives. Also, as far as I can remember (correct me if I am wrong), most of the expletives are used in the film are in frustrating or funny situations (which are most common situations for there use), not for any 'ground realities', and they are certainly not used during any brutalities etc too.<br /><br />Zero, I didnt impose any restriction, really. :) What I meant is the proper usage, as it is used by the people you are portraying. and yes, I liked Konkana in the film, and especially that line, but we need to see that there are more common swear words that are used by women there. The whole exercise of using them looked like the verbal equivalent of posing that Ajay Devgan was doing in the whole film.<br /><br />Push, Its the common argument in favor of the film that Vishal Bhardwaj did better effort than the usual bollywood stuff, but I feel that such relative standards should not be taken for judging the absolute greatness of a film.<br /><br />antickpix, its a huge drop, more than 50%. will try to cover up this year.anuraghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03178119895116619951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-21524845484091801702007-01-17T02:13:00.000-04:002007-01-17T02:13:00.000-04:00hey,
been a while since i've been here.
looked ...hey, <br /><br />been a while since i've been here.<br /><br />looked at your 2006 movie list. quite a drop-off from 2005, but funnily enough, i think we've both seen a few of the same older films (such as Godard's weekend) this year. heh.woenvuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03851860896419432459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-1130667405771602312007-01-15T03:29:00.000-04:002007-01-15T03:29:00.000-04:00Ajay got a complete haryanvi touch (manoj bajpai c...Ajay got a complete haryanvi touch (manoj bajpai could make more justice the role… but seems like Vishal bhardwaj was more interested in getting big star power …and yes he should ..subject was sensible in terms of accent and abusing words used in dialogues..we all know the out come of Anurag kashyap movies…) and kareena was more looking like a desi bollywood doll...other thn deepak ..eventually..it was konkana ..who came out as per the expectations...<br />but i do think saif tried a lot....i know none of the characters of omakara was delivering the dialogues as per exactly the same accent of Western Up....<br />but still Vishal has made an honest attempt… far better than usual bollywood stuff.Push.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03080824365393224239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-59598381501026919292007-01-15T03:27:00.000-04:002007-01-15T03:27:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Push.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03080824365393224239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-49564737604680377862007-01-14T17:05:00.000-04:002007-01-14T17:05:00.000-04:00While I don't agree (but, appreciate the passion!)...While I don't agree (but, appreciate the passion!) with the "well-meaning" restriction you impose on the usage of expletives, I think <i>Omkara</i> had quite many instances of such usage too. And, not only from Deepak Dobriyal. In one of the scenes, Konkona character goes on to say, "Lo! Hum ch ki tarah phulka banaaya jaa rahe hain.."<br />There!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-67028316012855850382007-01-11T11:38:00.000-04:002007-01-11T11:38:00.000-04:00I agree on the points of expletives usage enhances...I agree on the points of expletives usage enhances the language. but i feel you have a learned angle to the usage:). I have seen villagers talking expletives in a manner that seemed rude to me, but thats the ground reality. If you picture Khosla ka ghosla, then the people involved are learned there, but for omkara i dont expect any holding back or sweetness in their language.<br /> It all starts with kids who use these expletives as style or punch words to show off, but later it gets ingrained in their language.<br />well thats my side on it.<br /><br />Adding to it, expletives are a great way to vent out anger especially while driving car, no body will hear that :), but you will feel relaxed. :)Manish Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16208116238002403559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-9100411360807323922007-01-10T23:37:00.000-04:002007-01-10T23:37:00.000-04:00Very well written. I do use a lot of expletives an...Very well written. I do use a lot of expletives and I know how difficult it is to express yourself without them :)<br /><br />Vg, very well said. "ye varnmaala ke wo moti hain jinke bina varnmaala adhoori hi nahi.. bahut besuri bhi sunaayi padti hai"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-57650251282839931882007-01-10T13:26:00.000-04:002007-01-10T13:26:00.000-04:00I come here on and off, but your film-loaded blog ...I come here on and off, but your film-loaded blog is not to my taste. This post surprized me. I hated Omkara because of the same reason. The very first line of the movie stinks of, to quote you, <i>vulgar sensationalism</i><br /><br />and this is awesome.<br /><br /><i>As the carrot enters the mouth with juice dipping from chin to chest...</i><br /><br />-sAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-61277754752562709262007-01-10T13:15:00.000-04:002007-01-10T13:15:00.000-04:00Excellent post, Anurag.
Omkara's dialogue came as...Excellent post, Anurag.<br /><br />Omkara's dialogue came as a bit of letdown to me too, though not for the reasons you have given.<br /><br />It is one thing to use BC/MC gratuitously and in quotation marks (Omkara is not guilty of that, IMO.) But it is quite another thing to use them in the (proper) context of character and situation. They become so powerful. (When was the last time the f-word shocked us in a film?)<br /><br />Given Omkara's story-setting, the dialogue could have been freer and looser, but there were probably commercial/censorship considerations (which people like Tarantino or Kevin Smith probably don't bother about.)kmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16040339235134145847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-22886464088107799992007-01-10T13:06:00.000-04:002007-01-10T13:06:00.000-04:00good job. very well written :) My own facility wit...good job. very well written :) My own facility with expletives verges on non-existent but i do like people who use it with care and love :)Alokhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12947383354732747209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-28742347975938858442007-01-10T13:00:00.000-04:002007-01-10T13:00:00.000-04:00honestly, i am not sure.. may be u r right.. but...honestly, i am not sure.. may be u r right.. but at the moment i dont feel like taking the pain to open wikipedia ;) but yes.. i truly enjoyed the blog!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-454812445715570642007-01-10T11:44:00.000-04:002007-01-10T11:44:00.000-04:00vg,
Yes, you have hit directly at the point, the ...vg,<br /><br />Yes, you have hit directly at the point, the point of unconscious use. <br /><br />and should it be varnmaala or shabdkosh :))anuraghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03178119895116619951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8412586.post-11612681734074074602007-01-09T14:31:00.000-04:002007-01-09T14:31:00.000-04:00anyone who uses expletives in his language as ofte...anyone who uses expletives in his language as often as I do is bound to enjoy this fun filled yet thoughtful blog... When you say "Note that there is a slight tinge of care for the person you use them for", I am sure not many people would be able to concieve the intent.. honestly, I feel one needs to live it to concieve it.. but yes.. :) but yes.. the ecstatic pleasure that one witnesses with an uncoscious use of expletives (supporting your thought.. the usage needs to be uncoscious.. not the one with an exclamatory mark.. but suble.. one that cant be noticed) is truly beyond words :) .... to sum up.. ye varnmaala ke wo moti hain jinke bina varnmaala adhoori hi nahi.. bahut besuri bhi sunaayi padti haiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com